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[TurboHz]

I'm a drum'n'bass DJ and have been into the d'n'b thing for quite a while.

I'm also a wannabe producer, been for years, and I think I'm almost at the point that my production could be played in the mix.

I made some tests at the club, and I'm having a hard time adjusting the level of the sub base... have you got any tips??

the fact is that at home, with my monitors, the sub sounds just right, but with the bigger system, it's way too loud. I'm filtering out all the sub below 35Hz, which improved the sound quite a lot, but still can't find the recommended peak level for the sub... and after the test, I'm more convinced that in this case you can't trust your ears, and a kind of standard has to be applied... any esperienced producers can help me with this dilemma?

[Yant]

Haven't done that much DnB, but been producing breaks and kinda know where you're coming from...
Unless you have a really good monitoring environment at home (or your studio, or whatever) mixing stuff down the real low end can be very hit n miss. First of all, if you're a DJ, when you're mixing a track constantly A/B between the track you're working on and a DnB record you're really familiar with. You'll probably find that the reference track doesn't have that much sub when you're listening to it at home or at the studio, you actually don't need to add that much sub cos it's gonna come out on a massive system anyway. Maybe less is more - you're not going to get a club sound out of your monitors, so don't try, just balance and mix your track as well as you can in comparison with the reference track and take it back in to a club to have a listen. You could even try filtering above 35Hz - maybe up to 60 or 70 Hz - keep in mind that (depending on the slope of the filter) frequencies lower than this point will still be present, they just won't be as loud.

Not sure about a standard..how do you mean?

Hope some of that may help...

[DL]

a side note...alot of dnb sounds good on any shit sound system tho...I think the best test is a stock honda accord...well done dnb hits just fine this and a club system...not everyone has pumpin subs and they still want bass in their hoopty ride?
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[JunglistMilitia]

0.o thts worryed me now, iv never heard any of my tunes of club systems :S so im wonderin if mine would have the same problem lol
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[Konkaten8]

try mixing in mono, & then use 1 speaker to tweak the bass levels...sounds weird, but think about it....or find a friend with a PA & mix on that...

[NFXBeats]

^^ definitely make sure your sub is not in stereo. The subs and kicks shoudl all be dead center in the mix to get the most out of them.

Before you start mixing down, listen to a reference track of some DnB that you want to sound like on your speakers.

DO NOT LISTEN TO IT TOO LOUD!

When you listen to things loud, you tend to under mix the lower stuff and over mix the higher stuff. Find a good listening volume and do your mixes there.

Over time you will develop a good working ear, no matter what you mix with headphones, laptop, monitors..
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[robbot]

I am leaning towards the less is more advice. Simply turn down the levels. Or you can try simply compressing the sub bass to avoid overpowering the rest of the track... prob is that it might take away some of the elements you are looking for in the track. Many times I love how a track sounds on the monitors but know damn well when I play the track on a "regular" system, that bass is going to take over. Play around, experiment, every system has its quirks, feel it out.
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[brookermusic]

All of these are great ideas. If you have the money i'd say go out and buy a sub and adjust the level of it to where your favorite track sounds good and slammin on it. Then go through with your own track and compare. I guarantee it will be too loud. Turn it down BUT NOT TOO MUCH. Sometimes having a sub will make you undermix your bass so be very concious and comparative. Then definitely try it in a hoopty. Cheap stereo tests are really the best. Good luck!

[jerinrealtime]

i"m just a novice, but from what i've learned is when in doubt about sub 100hz frequencies take the cautious road. in a club environment you can always pump the bass when needed- but if your sub frequencies are too high your sound will overdrive, obscuring details and turning your material into mud. if you trim the bass to compensate you also trim low end from drums and lose punch and it ends up sounding weak.
play your favourite tracks through an eq meter and note the levels.
low end frequencies usually roll off gradually at 30hz or lower, with a sub bass peak of 25db around 80hz and a kick drum peak of 22db around 150hz. i usually see a drop in db around 300-400hz to 10db or less then a slope down to -10db at around 10khz.
you can never really hear sub 80hz frequencies like you do in a club- there's always a little guesswork so i watch my levels and model them after dope sounding tracks.
hope this helps- i'm just a novice so if anyone can put me in my place i invite you to do so